We are who we are because of our life's experiences. If we could go back and change something in our past then we would not be the person we are today. What makes us self aware? Maybe we all belong to some sort of a collective consciousness and we return to that at the time of our death.
William Penwell
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What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?
by EndofMysteries inthis seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.
right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?
the electrical signals in the brain?
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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?
by William Penwell inin your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
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William Penwell
Not to be unkind, but I was not there to be a "babysitter" or be stressed out by dysfunctional people, or even so-called normal but nervy sisters. People like this always gravitated towards me.
Seemed like these types gravitated to my family as we were kind hearted people and did not know how to set boundaries. No more, if I figure out that a person is a user I cut them out right away. I do not give them a chance to try and use me.
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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?
by William Penwell inin your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
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William Penwell
Yes, I agree they Borg attracts dysfunctional people, my mother included. Someone pointed out to me that people with mental issues need some kind of schedule to keep them busy and something where they can jot down notes to remind them of what they've done and/or what needs to be done. That's what da troof provides, daily field service and weekly meetings that must be studied for, jotting down from the meetings for future reference.
Good point. The WT does provide a very rigid environment for people that need that and because they are controlling group these dysfunctional people let the society and elders make the decisions for them. I knew so many dubs that couldn't even go to the washroom without an elders approval. lol
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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?
by William Penwell inin your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
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William Penwell
Frankly, many who converted as adults to the organization were already somewhat mentally troubled and vulnerable to simplistic promises even before the Witnesses knocked on the door.
Defense to the Wt but I think all closed control groups or cults attract a similar type of people.
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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?
by William Penwell inin your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
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William Penwell
The vast majority are not like this; the ones that are suck the air out of the room.
So true it maybe a minority put those types I like to refer to as toxic people seem to like you said just "suck the air out of the room".
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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?
by William Penwell inin your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
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William Penwell
Reading through the comments I have to agree that I think it is the society that creates these dysfunctions. I was born and raised as a dub. I think I have a more passive personality, compared with my older brother who was more an alpha male type. Now as an alpha male I think it is either you say enough of this garbage and get the hell out or you play the game and become a leader of all the passive types. As far as my self because I was not an alpha male an organization like the dubs exposes that approval seeking side of ourselves to their benefit. The only difference is unlike my brother I had an open mind and was willing to read and learn to know it was a load of garbage and did a slow fade. Now I agree that some of the passive aggressive, approval seeking tactics that we are talking about, I was guilty of using them to. Only since I have left the organization have a leaned to communicate better, without using those tactics. Someone like the person I described I think are so emotionally immature that they still fall back on those passive aggressive tenancy in order to get their way. In their narcissist mind they are the only person that counts and there is only one conclusion in the end, that is to win, to get their way regardless of what tactics they use. -
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"You don't go to church in a Kingdom Hall"
by stephanie61092 in"you don't go to church in a kingdom hall" was stated during the public talk yesterday.
the speaker then elaborated that "people who go to church, go to fulfill a spiritual obligation.
coming to the kingdom hall is coming to learn.
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I found that after 30 years of the same WT garbage it came to a point that I was not learning anything at the KH. IT was just two hours of tuning out and having a nap. Just all the same repetition from one meeting to the next. I know if I walked into a KH tomorrow after not being in one for over 15 years it will be just more of the same. -
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Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?
by William Penwell inin your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
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In your personal experience, do you think that the WT attracts needy types of people?
Over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.I had an acquaintance that I just basically cut off. She is very needy, insecure, dysfunctional. She is passive aggressive and a narcissist that everything was about her. She would keep a score card about all the favors she did for me, forgetting that a friendship is a two way street as she didn't see all that I did for her. I never minded doing her favors and I did not ask for anything in return. She was the one that would say, well you did this for me I will treat you for coffee or lunch. My mistake as she throw this in my face in the end. Well the finale straw was because I was not available to jump when she ask me to do her a favor and then she flips out, so I just quit responding to her messages and phone calls. In the end I nicely suggested that I did not have the time and that it best she asked someone else to help her out. Well when she realized that she couldn't manipulate me anymore she shows her true colors and starts to use "logical fallacies" and you just took advantage of our friendship to try and guilt and discredit me. Then she goes on to say that she was glad as I showed my "true" colors and that how Jehovah provides for her when she needs him. Well it took her over twenty years to figure this out? Why did I put up with this you may ask, I felt a bit of an obligation to my now deceased mother. Anyway I had enough and have completely cut her out. Life is too short to waste it on toxic people.
Just wonder if anyone else has had these types of experience with J dubs?
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Watchtower buys apt complex in Fishkill, NY
by lostinthought inhttp://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/2014/12/22/jehovahs-witnesses-buy-fishkill-rivercrest-apartments/20788311/.
jehovah's witnesses now owns a major apartment complex in the town of fishkill.. tenants say they've been told their leases will not be renewed.. the sale of the 250-unit rivercrest luxury apartments closed dec. 3, the deed on file at the dutchess county clerk's office shows.
while sale price is not stated, the transfer tax indicates a transaction for $57 million.. rivercrest is a modern development west of route 9d just north of beacon and was a project of avr realty, which also developed other housing and commercial spaces in that area as well as projects in eight states.. the sale deed is between rivercrest development llc, based in yonkers, and watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. as the buyer.
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William Penwell
The WT has every right to do whatever they like with the property but it will not make those they are evicting feel all warm and fuzzy toward this cult. -
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Has anyone else collected their money back from local Kingdom Halls for money loaned for construction?
by StoneWall injust a reminder if you haven't, to get it back before they sell any more halls.even if you're currently da/df you can still collect any monies owed you by the kingdom hall as far as loans go.we were able to get back $1000 that my mom had loaned the local hall for a loan to build new one.it was documented by the paper that had been given each publisher back then on how much they could/would be willing to give as an outright donation or a loan.
the loan was to be paid back whenever the publisher requested it.
(not a specific date)i can't help but feel that a lot of the old timers that loaned monies to the society and/or k-halls have been forgot about by them or their families.
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William Penwell
I am not sure if my parents ever loaned money to the WT, although I know they donated thousands of dollars to them over the years. Now my parents are both passed away I would think that even if I found out they had loaned the society money, my dub brothers and sisters would probably just say that was OK to keep it.
I heard of one dub that left all her money to the WT because non of her children were dubs anymore. I discussed it on here before and what I was told was there is nothing her children could do. Whatever she thought she was doing, the only thing that accomplished was none of her children want anything to do with the religion/cult now.